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Post by Beachguy on Dec 7, 2016 16:35:57 GMT
Don sounds like a very nice person. But I will not hold my breath for an apology from Beachguy and expect to live. Jackie, on the other hand, is due a big one for his insult to her. But that type of remark from him about Jackie either blatant like his last one .... or sly, snarky and insinuating like most of them, are par for the course with BG. The continued tolerance for this guy by anyone who considers him or herself a Jackie fan is utterly beyond me.
I grew up a fighter. Fist fights were just part of the deal. I'll never forget one that lasted almost a half hour of just me and another guy beating each other's face to bloody pulp. But I also was a seminarian. Studied to be a Catholic priest. One of the things that prevented me from continuing that vocation ... that calling ... was the loss of respect I learned to have for my fellow seminarians and priests who seemed so afraid to judge .... to distinguish good from evil and vice versa. They tolerated everything. As I learned, only a few of them had ever been in a fist fight. Had never thought it necessary to fight for anything whether with their mind, hearts or fists. Being feisty and opinionated is part and parcel of who I am and who I like to be. I'm an old dog now. A mongrel. A mix. I can be compassionate and loving to those I chose to love ... and intolerant of those I chose not to .. for good reason. Jackie Evancho is one I chose to love. BG has been a Jackie hater as long as I've been on this board. He is not her fan. No ifs ands or buts about it. If I were Jackie, I would advise her not to hold her breath for an apology from BG. It's not in him. He sees no wrong in what he's said. It's his truth. Truth itself is just so much pixie dust and superstitious nonsense to him. Jackie to him is just some kind of numbers game and puppet on a string. Book it. I don't post much here about others but BG's last post calling Jackie a puppet demanded my reply. I too wonder about the silence of the Administration here.
Since we are all opinionated here, my vote (to the Administration) is to vote BeachGuy off the island, to ban him from this forum. This forum (what, usually 6-8 posters a day?) will never get any new members to stay once they read his posts.
So which is it, ban Beach Guy or keep him? If you are a member here and stay silent, you deserve to listen to the You-Know-What he piles on Jackie lately, and her fans. Label him what he is, a troll. I've lost my patience (5 years!) for him. BG, you made me lose my patience, and you deserve to be banned here, if there is such a mechanism. Admins? DonI would take you both on at one time >> my Jackie talk had 512 views in 3 and half days , how many threads have you don created and how many views do you get , the admin can bann me at any time if he wants dull ott fans of about 6 here , yes they would all vote to bann me as Mr Trump , cas 43 has broken tons of rules calling Juliet nasty words plus myself , he writes about himself much more then Jackie , he is indeed a lonely person , a priest ?? does he likes young boys ?? yikes
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Post by don78710 on Dec 7, 2016 21:12:42 GMT
Considering the source ..... I should just let BG's latest comment go .... round and round in the toilet bowl. But for the record ... I have never said anything "nasty" about Jacob / Juliet here or anywhere else. In fact I wrote an open letter on the now defunct proboard to his mom. What I wrote about him, now a long time ago, was motived only by compassion and concern for him and his fateful decision .... and my love for his family. I've seen personally what the world he's chosen to enter can do to souls. The best man at my wedding and one of my best friends for all time is gay. He to this day is a tortured and tormented soul because he is homosexual. A terrible, life destroying choice he made long ago. One of my wife's best friends (and mine) is gay (lesbian) and while living a very professionally rewarding, magnanimous life, she's living one personally that is tortured, lonely and one that she is compelled constantly to justify to herself. 3 of my classmates in the seminary died of AIDS, 2 of whom were ordained priests. And I can go on and on about those I know who've chosen to live the so called "gay" life .... which is anything but.
I won't vote to ban Beachguy from this forum. Conflict propels life on this planet. Without it, nothing or no one could move. Nothing would be interesting or compelling enough to anyone to want to change it ... or to live it. Conflict with Beachguy motivates me to write. Whether interesting, compelling or not .... is left to whoever reads it to freely decide. Mushers and Gushers versus Trolls makes for interesting "discussions", though BeachGuy probably feels picked on, being the only troll. Does he "post what he posts" because he means it, or just wants to get you and others "riled up" for his weird enjoyment? Only BG knows.
Meanwhile Facebook Mush and Gush sites are all flowers and Angels, with posters rushing to complete the prettiest and most angelic painted rendition of her latest photograph. Definitely not free discussion sites.
Make this forum what you want, to each his own. I doubt it will attract many fans, but you two will keep things interesting. Don
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 8, 2016 13:04:57 GMT
Considering the source ..... I should just let BG's latest comment go .... round and round in the toilet bowl. But for the record ... I have never said anything "nasty" about Jacob / Juliet here or anywhere else. In fact I wrote an open letter on the now defunct proboard to his mom. What I wrote about him, now a long time ago, was motived only by compassion and concern for him and his fateful decision .... and my love for his family. I've seen personally what the world he's chosen to enter can do to souls. The best man at my wedding and one of my best friends for all time is gay. He to this day is a tortured and tormented soul because he is homosexual. A terrible, life destroying choice he made long ago. One of my wife's best friends (and mine) is gay (lesbian) and while living a very professionally rewarding, magnanimous life, she's living one personally that is tortured, lonely and one that she is compelled constantly to justify to herself. 3 of my classmates in the seminary died of AIDS, 2 of whom were ordained priests. And I can go on and on about those I know who've chosen to live the so called "gay" life .... which is anything but.
I won't vote to ban Beachguy from this forum. Conflict propels life on this planet. Without it, nothing or no one could move. Nothing would be interesting or compelling enough to anyone to want to change it ... or to live it. Conflict with Beachguy motivates me to write. Whether interesting, compelling or not .... is left to whoever reads it to freely decide. Mushers and Gushers versus Trolls makes for interesting "discussions", though BeachGuy probably feels picked on, being the only troll. Does he "post what he posts" because he means it, or just wants to get you and others "riled up" for his weird enjoyment? Only BG knows.
Meanwhile Facebook Mush and Gush sites are all flowers and Angels, with posters rushing to complete the prettiest and most angelic painted rendition of her latest photograph. Definitely not free discussion sites.
Make this forum what you want, to each his own. I doubt it will attract many fans, but you two will keep things interesting. Don
2 years ago there were about 3 Jackie fans as signed fans , two were posters that said little , there I do it to rile up a few here and some visitors , on the other forum of robinb I am a angel
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Post by don78710 on Dec 8, 2016 18:47:33 GMT
Cas: I think this site is doing its job as (partly) a discussion site, and serves well as a replacement for fan discussions that used to occur on the old JEFC and deleted proboards. But like JEFC, this will never get near the views Mush and Gush sites get. And that's to be expected.
You can look up stats for "classicalcrossover.proboards.com" on sites like www.similarweb.com/website/classicalcrossover.proboards.com#referrals. Of course "proboards" covers all artists (not just Jackie) but Jackie is the most popular artist here by far. It comes to about 2000 visits per month total. Many visits are from Google search robots so you have to discount the 2000 a little further. It is interesting that the top reference site (the one a visitor comes from, on their way here) is almost always Jackiecentral.com, which lists proboards on their website.
Also interesting that the top site a visitor leaves to (after visiting here) is Facebook.com. My theory is most (not all) new fans prefer Mush and Gush sites like Facebook (both Jackie's and fansites). So many (not all) stop here and find the "discussion" parts of this site not to their liking, so they move on to Mush and Gush sites (to see pretty angelic pictures of Jackie, "I love you Jackie" statements from other fans, etc.) more to their liking. I think that is why so many visitors here, but very few that stay to post as members. Even the top discussion site (Amazon) churns out many many posts, but from only a few dozen posters.
So evidence is most fans are mushers and gushers. A popular picture on her Facebook can get 10,000 "likes" (couple hundred "likes" on FB fan sites), but on the old JEFC, you got 30 "likes" if you were lucky. So it is not surprising to me that "discussion sites" get fewer visits than FB. I think a discussion site is valuable and needed, but turns off many newer fans (and me sometimes!).
Keep up the good work. I'm not suggesting you change this site in any way to be Mush and Gush -friendly. Fewer members maybe, but more open discussion. And remember your main job of keeping Beachguy honest - a herculean task if you know what I mean! Don edited
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Post by juxtaposer on Dec 9, 2016 6:19:02 GMT
I actually do think Beachguy is a Jackie fan, perhaps an even bigger one than he would care to admit. At times he does seem a bit conflicted about it, but maybe that's just the contrarian in him he likes to show. Beachguy also gives us lots of peculiar insights, but really, Beachguy, calling Jackie a "puppet"?... that is disappointing, and unnecessary. She's a young girl with a great gift showing the world what she can do, and in my view taking quite a lot of good advice along the way. It's incredible to think all that she is learning at her age.
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 9, 2016 14:19:47 GMT
I actually do think Beachguy is a Jackie fan, perhaps an even bigger one than he would care to admit. At times he does seem a bit conflicted about it, but maybe that's just the contrarian in him he likes to show. Beachguy also gives us lots of peculiar insights, but really, Beachguy, calling Jackie a "puppet"?... that is disappointing, and unnecessary. She's a young girl with a great gift showing the world what she can do, and in my view taking quite a lot of good advice along the way. It's incredible to think all that she is learning at her age. So people want to pick out one word or one sentence of 100,000 +posted in 6 years ?? Pick out some of Mr Trumps' words and he is now going to be the Most Important Man ?? it is called being a ""SHOCK JOCK "" ,with much sarcastic or pulling chains or baiting to get a reactions from others , that makes a good forum , they get the Big $$$$$$$$$$ & viewers either love or hate , again we are all puppets in some manner , a form , a God , agenda etc etc , in other words most all minors are controlled or should be not to run the streets , smoke , drink , drugs , etc and show-biz minors are puppets to their management , fans , social media , sales ,etc etc
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 19:04:37 GMT
Sony might be grateful for the correction. At least competency in production, where perfection may not be possible, is something most fans value. I do.
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 9, 2016 20:35:44 GMT
Considering the source ..... I should just let BG's latest comment go .... round and round in the toilet bowl. But for the record ... I have never said anything "nasty" about Jacob / Juliet here or anywhere else. In fact I wrote an open letter on the now defunct proboard to his mom. What I wrote about him, now a long time ago, was motived only by compassion and concern for him and his fateful decision .... and my love for his family. I've seen personally what the world he's chosen to enter can do to souls. The best man at my wedding and one of my best friends for all time is gay. He to this day is a tortured and tormented soul because he is homosexual. A terrible, life destroying choice he made long ago. One of my wife's best friends (and mine) is gay (lesbian) and while living a very professionally rewarding, magnanimous life, she's living one personally that is tortured, lonely and one that she is compelled constantly to justify to herself. 3 of my classmates in the seminary died of AIDS, 2 of whom were ordained priests. And I can go on and on about those I know who've chosen to live the so called "gay" life .... which is anything but.
I won't vote to ban Beachguy from this forum. Conflict propels life on this planet. Without it, nothing or no one could move. Nothing would be interesting or compelling enough to anyone to want to change it ... or to live it. Conflict with Beachguy motivates me to write. Whether interesting, compelling or not .... is left to whoever reads it to freely decide. Mushers and Gushers versus Trolls makes for interesting "discussions", though BeachGuy probably feels picked on, being the only troll. Does he "post what he posts" because he means it, or just wants to get you and others "riled up" for his weird enjoyment? Only BG knows.
Meanwhile Facebook Mush and Gush sites are all flowers and Angels, with posters rushing to complete the prettiest and most angelic painted rendition of her latest photograph. Definitely not free discussion sites.
Make this forum what you want, to each his own. I doubt it will attract many fans, but you two will keep things interesting. Don
They had many members active here at one time but the Owner cleaned out the forum for what ever reason ,the hard core guys trouble makers hit the road because they didn't want a strong Admin , i keep a log on JT as like in 2 days were 512 views on it , the average is about 115 over the two years+ , people do came back and yes they like a debate or disagreement more it seems , ""being a troll "" , a dwarf or giant in folklore , or to sing or play in a jovial manner or to fish or demon or to move around , this that a statement my you as fact or opinion ?? , one should be careful of statement one makes as Cas43 is great at that , he believes in his fading mind that he knows all , poor bloke ,
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Post by 0 on Dec 9, 2016 20:43:01 GMT
Mushers and Gushers versus Trolls makes for interesting "discussions", though BeachGuy probably feels picked on, being the only troll. Does he "post what he posts" because he means it, or just wants to get you and others "riled up" for his weird enjoyment? Only BG knows.
Meanwhile Facebook Mush and Gush sites are all flowers and Angels, with posters rushing to complete the prettiest and most angelic painted rendition of her latest photograph. Definitely not free discussion sites.
Make this forum what you want, to each his own. I doubt it will attract many fans, but you two will keep things interesting. Don
They had many members active here at one time but the Owner cleaned out the forum for what ever reason ,the hard core guys trouble makers hit the road because they didn't want a strong Admin , i keep a log on JT as like in 2 days were 512 views on it , the average is about 115 over the two years+ , people do came back and yes they like a debate or disagreement more it seems , ""being a troll "" , a dwarf or giant in folklore , or to sing or play in a jovial manner or to fish or demon or to move around , this that a statement my you as fact or opinion ?? , one should be careful of statement one makes as Cas43 is great at that , he believes in his fading mind that he knows all , poor bloke , "knows all"? No. Only most of it. "Just the facts, ma'am." Signed. Sgt. Friday. It is Friday ... ain't it?
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 9, 2016 20:50:43 GMT
“Puppet”. Maybe just a poor choice of a word out of a100k by BG to describe Jackie. I just think very few of her fans think of her that way …. or ever want to. A puppet is a brainless, basically inanimate thing fashioned by man and given animation by connecting its limbs and other features to strings which its operator controls and manipulates to produce movement. Does that describe Jackie or any human being? Geez I hope not.
Not long ago Jackie uncharacteristically complained and lamented on several of her social media pages that Sony had screwed up her Christmas album by releasing it with her Hallelujah duet with Peter Hollens at speed she didn’t record. I think she described the mistake as “Chipmunking” it. I posted a reply to her that told her not to worry about it. That her fans don’t notice or hear the mistakes and flaws. At first, she moved my reply up to approval level. A few days later she moved it down more than a few notches. And sure enough a few days later announced that she’d complained to Sony and they admitted the mistake and agreed to correct it … which they did. Now BG will probably say that was because her parents did it or made her do it or something like that. But I think Jackie is something of a perfectionist … in a very good way. Not the dysfunctional OCD way. And because of it ... made a very good choice and acted on it. She wouldn't ... just settle for something that offended or was less than her standard.
Every time I listen to her songs …. I’m struck by the perfection she achieves in them. I have an OMG moment in nearly every one … no matter how many times I listen. That level of artistic mastery does not come from training or lesson or command from some puppet mastro like Geppetto or The Phantom. It comes from somewhere within a young person who controls her own artistic life. Her personal life, as BG so rightly contends and argues, is indeed still within the loving hands and guidance of her parents and family …. thank God. I have a feeling Cas43 is a puppet of his younger wife , yes dear , ok dear , fine dear , will do dear , ""take out the trash , you forgot hon "" , .. ""artistic mastery "" and ""perfection "" are examples of a ott fan that does her no good , or a disservice , if people read this they expect GREAT from Jackie every time , sorry not to be in the opinions of millions of non buyers of Albums of late , it is the same as Foster an his "" one of a kind musical ability "" , not yet guys , calm down a little as her MUSICAL GREATNESS OF ALWAYS PERFECTION will be in cash register so as her next car can be even better .
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Post by 0 on Dec 10, 2016 11:36:10 GMT
“Puppet”. Maybe just a poor choice of a word out of a100k by BG to describe Jackie. I just think very few of her fans think of her that way …. or ever want to. A puppet is a brainless, basically inanimate thing fashioned by man and given animation by connecting its limbs and other features to strings which its operator controls and manipulates to produce movement. Does that describe Jackie or any human being? Geez I hope not.
Not long ago Jackie uncharacteristically complained and lamented on several of her social media pages that Sony had screwed up her Christmas album by releasing it with her Hallelujah duet with Peter Hollens at speed she didn’t record. I think she described the mistake as “Chipmunking” it. I posted a reply to her that told her not to worry about it. That her fans don’t notice or hear the mistakes and flaws. At first, she moved my reply up to approval level. A few days later she moved it down more than a few notches. And sure enough a few days later announced that she’d complained to Sony and they admitted the mistake and agreed to correct it … which they did. Now BG will probably say that was because her parents did it or made her do it or something like that. But I think Jackie is something of a perfectionist … in a very good way. Not the dysfunctional OCD way. And because of it ... made a very good choice and acted on it. She wouldn't ... just settle for something that offended or was less than her standard.
Every time I listen to her songs …. I’m struck by the perfection she achieves in them. I have an OMG moment in nearly every one … no matter how many times I listen. That level of artistic mastery does not come from training or lesson or command from some puppet mastro like Geppetto or The Phantom. It comes from somewhere within a young person who controls her own artistic life. Her personal life, as BG so rightly contends and argues, is indeed still within the loving hands and guidance of her parents and family …. thank God. I have a feeling Cas43 is a puppet of his younger wife , yes dear , ok dear , fine dear , will do dear , ""take out the trash , you forgot hon "" , .. ""artistic mastery "" and ""perfection "" are examples of a ott fan that does her no good , or a disservice , if people read this they expect GREAT from Jackie every time , sorry not to be in the opinions of millions of non buyers of Albums of late , it is the same as Foster an his "" one of a kind musical ability "" , not yet guys , calm down a little as her MUSICAL GREATNESS OF ALWAYS PERFECTION will be in cash register so as her next car can be even better . Re: "puppet of his younger wife ..... etc.". Well, actually we have a no strings attached kind of marriage. Instead she uses an air horn that had been mounted on a Mack truck or bucket of cold water filled with ice cubes to wake me up from my afternoon nap to remind me "to take out the trash"; and a pitch fork to my butt to drive me out into winter storms to take the trash to the curb. So yes, I use lots of "yes dears" and "will dos" to try and keep that from happening .... unsuccessfully. As far as Jackie, I'd much rather be one of her OTT fans than one of those "millions of non buyers of Albums". Apparently a lot of people out there with lousy taste in music and performers ... "of late."
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 10, 2016 15:10:43 GMT
I have a feeling Cas43 is a puppet of his younger wife , yes dear , ok dear , fine dear , will do dear , ""take out the trash , you forgot hon "" , .. ""artistic mastery "" and ""perfection "" are examples of a ott fan that does her no good , or a disservice , if people read this they expect GREAT from Jackie every time , sorry not to be in the opinions of millions of non buyers of Albums of late , it is the same as Foster an his "" one of a kind musical ability "" , not yet guys , calm down a little as her MUSICAL GREATNESS OF ALWAYS PERFECTION will be in cash register so as her next car can be even better . Re: "puppet of his younger wife ..... etc.". Well, actually we have a no strings attached kind of marriage. Instead she uses an air horn that had been mounted on a Mack truck or bucket of cold water filled with ice cubes to wake me up from my afternoon nap to remind me "to take out the trash"; and a pitch fork to my butt to drive me out into winter storms to take the trash to the curb. So yes, I use lots of "yes dears" and "will dos" to try and keep that from happening .... unsuccessfully. As far as Jackie, I'd much rather be one of her OTT fans than one of those "millions of non buyers of Albums". Apparently a lot of people out there with lousy taste in music and performers ... "of late." Congrats on a common sense post , it was long time coming
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Post by juxtaposer on Dec 10, 2016 23:29:57 GMT
I actually do think Beachguy is a Jackie fan, perhaps an even bigger one than he would care to admit. At times he does seem a bit conflicted about it, but maybe that's just the contrarian in him he likes to show. Beachguy also gives us lots of peculiar insights, but really, Beachguy, calling Jackie a "puppet"?... that is disappointing, and unnecessary. She's a young girl with a great gift showing the world what she can do, and in my view taking quite a lot of good advice along the way. It's incredible to think all that she is learning at her age. So people want to pick out one word or one sentence of 100,000 +posted in 6 years ?? Pick out some of Mr Trumps' words and he is now going to be the Most Important Man ?? it is called being a ""SHOCK JOCK "" ,with much sarcastic or pulling chains or baiting to get a reactions from others , that makes a good forum , they get the Big $$$$$$$$$$ & viewers either love or hate , again we are all puppets in some manner , a form , a God , agenda etc etc , in other words most all minors are controlled or should be not to run the streets , smoke , drink , drugs , etc and show-biz minors are puppets to their management , fans , social media , sales ,etc etc Fair point, Beachguy. To be a writer is to be a risk taker. Every time the writer puts thoughts down into words they are grabbing the bull by the horns. That's what I respect about you - your commitment to your ideas. It might come from the old street-fighter in you (and, for that matter, the old fist-fighter in Cas43: you two do have something in common, I think).
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Post by don78710 on Dec 11, 2016 0:51:50 GMT
So people want to pick out one word or one sentence of 100,000 +posted in 6 years ?? Pick out some of Mr Trumps' words and he is now going to be the Most Important Man ?? it is called being a "" SHOCK JOCK "" ,with much sarcastic or pulling chains or baiting to get a reactions from others , that makes a good forum , they get the Big $$$$$$$$$$ & viewers either love or hate , again we are all puppets in some manner , a form , a God , agenda etc etc , in other words most all minors are controlled or should be not to run the streets , smoke , drink , drugs , etc and show-biz minors are puppets to their management , fans , social media , sales ,etc etc Fair point, Beachguy. To be a writer is to be a risk taker. Every time the writer puts thoughts down into words they are grabbing the bull by the horns. That's what I respect about you - your commitment to your ideas. It might come from the old street-fighter in you (and, for that matter, the old fist-fighter in Cas43: you two do have something in common, I think). I got to agree with you BG, you are mostly baiting. Shock Jock also describes you, posting what gets a rise, not what is necessarily true (like Trump as you mentioned). You too have never posted a link to back up what you say. When one of us rises to your bait, your main reply is along the lines of . . . Gotcha, musher-gusher. Beachguy you may actually have some heart for Jackie, as deeply buried as it seems. After all, just Troll fishing for us musher-gushers must be a bore by now, we "rise" to your bait so easily. Your Jackie poetry can be really good, stick to it. Don
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Post by juxtaposer on Dec 11, 2016 1:30:19 GMT
Fair point, Beachguy. To be a writer is to be a risk taker. Every time the writer puts thoughts down into words they are grabbing the bull by the horns. That's what I respect about you - your commitment to your ideas. It might come from the old street-fighter in you (and, for that matter, the old fist-fighter in Cas43: you two do have something in common, I think). I got to agree with you BG, you are mostly baiting. Shock Jock also describes you, posting what gets a rise, not what is necessarily true (like Trump as you mentioned). You too have never posted a link to back up what you say. When one of us rises to your bait, your main reply is along the lines of . . . Gotcha, musher-gusher. Beachguy you may actually have some heart for Jackie, as deeply buried as it seems. After all, just Troll fishing for us musher-gushers must be a bore by now, we "rise" to your bait so easily. Your Jackie poetry can be really good, stick to it. Don www.academia.edu/3787503/To_write_as_a_bullfighter
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