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Post by bogi on Feb 28, 2012 21:24:01 GMT
From the other thread: Hey Bogi, I miss your translations of Patricia news. There is some communication in Slovak language on this forum and you may wonder, what it is about. In fact, there are no really important news. No concrete information about plans for 2012. As I informed in the facebook thread, Patricia is now regularly visiting her primary school, she didn't finish yet the first half-year after she missed much time at school in autumn. There are no announced events, but there are some news, opinions, communication. I will describe it later in this thread, this week I'm on skiing holiday in Austria with friends, so I haven't enough quiet and time just now for more complicated topics.
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Post by klamath on Feb 28, 2012 23:34:08 GMT
Ok. Just wanted to let you know some of us really appreciated you translations. Have fun skiing in austria. Wish I could join you. Not much snow on our mountains here but it is snowing today.
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Post by bogi on Mar 4, 2012 8:41:04 GMT
So what's new as I promised. At first I will shortly describe the points of discussion in the Czech/Slovakian subforum. I discussed 2 interviews with todu21. One is available online as PDF, the only new information is that Patricia learned last year also some arias we didn't hear yet from her. The 2nd interview isn't available online, it was published in a Czech Christian magazine for girls. todu21 tried to buy the magazine, but it isn't available in ordinary shops in Czech Republic and it isn’t possible to order one standalone print. In other thread I pointed to Patricia’s performance from yesterday in Ostrava. She performed within a marriage fair on 12:00 PM and 3:30 PM. She sang Ave Maria (Caccini), I will meet you again (Stoklosa) and Once Upon A Time In The West (Morricone). That wasn’t a typical concert, but it was the first her 2012 performance for wider audience. Now about communication. Yet in the beginning of January I met with Patricia's father in Bratislava. I explained him my view to Patricia's current singing and genre. She was presented as opera singer and also as 'the youngest opera diva', but opera related people criticized her singing as not (yet) opera singing and her main fan base is not opera related. In Slovakia and Czech Republic her fans are the same ordinary people who voted for her in Talentmania. Abroad she has CC fans. I explained him differences between opera singers and CC singers and also other differences between opera and CC (different business models and popularity aspects). I explained him my view to roots of Patricia's popularity in Slovakia. I criticized as faulty decision in May 2011, when Viva Musica! agency refused to send Max1 photographs and promotional material for Patricia’s CCUK profile with statement that they emphasize Patricia isn't a CC singer. She is or isn't, but currently she isn't yet an opera singer and she appeals to CC audience. Patricia's father said that Viva Musica agency had that time the opinion that propagating Patricia as CC singer could hurt her professional opera related future. We discussed if it is really so now when she is 13. We agreed it will take yet many years till she can grow to a really trained opera singer, so singing CC repertoire now and during few following years cannot be 'dangerous' for her. I asked Patricia's father Martin to correct the previous statement, which wasn't friendly to the CC community. He asked me, if I can communicate it with CCUK members, as he didn't speak English. I already communicated this with Max1 and moderators and now I am doing it with the rest of you, who watched Patricia's thread in May 2011. I mean it would be nicer if Patricia's father would register here and explain it self. We spoke also about my Patricia's unofficial fan website. I proposed he can use any part of my website or also the whole in the official website, which has only a stop-gap content. He didn't saw yet my website that time, but he knew about it from his daughters Patricia and Lucia, who named me as a fan with the biggest interest about Patricia they know. He explained me he has his own view to the graphical design of the website. I explained my website content can be used with any graphical design. Then, few day later Patricia's father wrote me in a mail that he likes easy structure of my website and that some other person will create the graphical design. In later mail he wrote the website will consist also from his content. Then he didn't answer to my following mails and the whole thing is unfinished. I would like to inform you yet what happened on Patricia's official facebook. I objected already before I met with Martin Janecek, that facebook is mainly a communication media and has to be used for communication between fans and Patricia or her management. Facebook cannot fully substitute a well structured website. I objected that they didn't answer questions from fans including mine. In fact, the person managing Patricia's facebook account removed more my posts. In the first I asked if the facebook page is authentic, if the person, who is behind, has a real connection to Patricia and her family. I asked that after some questions were not answered. That happened yet before I met with Patricia's father. Then after a week or two my subsequent posts were removed again, when I posted a link to my article "Who is Patricia Janeckova today", published on my fan website. The article contains points I discussed with Martin Janecek in Bratislava, where we found common understanding. So I asked Martin J. by mail if he knows about removal of my facebook posts and I asked him if he agreed with that. I became no answer to that mail. Martin J. didn't answer me 3 mails before we met in Bratislava and he didn't answer me 3 mails after we met. Meanwhile, I saw some positive changes on the official facebook page. They started to answer fan questions including mine. They published an explanation why Patricia doesn't perform currently for wider audience. They explained it she missed in school in autumn and she hasn’t yet the first half-year finished. They formulated that as Patricia's words, I mean the text prepared Patricia with her father (or vice-versa). I informed about that in the English facebook thread. People around Patricia didn't inform about all events. They didn't inform about the ball in Nitra, some information and photographs appeared afterwards in press. They informed about the ball in Brussels 2 weeks after the event, they explained it that it was a requisition for Patricia’s presence on the event (it wasn’t announced before the event). They informed yesterday about her marriage fair performance at the day of the performance, so too late, although Czech press already announced it a week ago. They didn't confirm press articles about her planned concert tour with pop singer Karel Gott. I would like to add my view to Patricia's performances in 2012. As I know Patricia performed 5 times this year. Three times she performed on balls, they were events for limited audience. Once she performed in the childs opera performance The Little Sweep in Ostrava. Yesterday she performed on a marriage fair in Ostrava. So the most of 2012 performances were not intended for us, her fans. They priorized other type of performances and they say she hasn’t time to perform for her fans because of her school. The subsequent program for 2012 is not known. There are some press articles, which claim Patricia will perform with Karel Gott in the last period of the year. So ... confusing information, right? Very low level of communication and information for an artist, who captured so much attention. Very reserved position to her audience. Before you will write your reactions, I would like to summarize important facts about Patricia: - Patricia is still only 13, she isn’t deciding self about things around her. In the last months no more Viva Musica agency, but her father Martin Janecek is managing her activities. It is complicated because the family wishes to preserve Patricia’s childhood as much as possible.
- Simply said, Slovakia and Czech Republic are not the U.S. We are only about 15 million people altogether. Our cultural market is small and isolated by the language barrier and stereotypes in thinking of people. People have less income so music business is running on a lower level. There are only few people who can really call themselves as managers in the music industry. Matej Drlicka has very wide activities, he doesn’t represent any artist exclusively. Patricia’s father comes purely from the world of classical music, all things regarding popularity seem to be unwelcome for him. I don’t know if for forever or only till Patricia is so young.
- There are no other child artists in our region, who would publicly perform on such a high level as Patricia. She is a new phenomena, there is no known way what to do in such a case. Our schools do not seem to be prepared to handle such an exception.
- Our pop artists are not known abroad, the only widely known exception is Karel Gott, who is known in the German speaking countries. Therefore our music industry and our web shops are not used to communicate with people abroad. The interest in Patricia from the U.S. and many other countries, which is visible also on my fan website statistics, is something we didn’t knew before.
- Patricia and her parents don’t communicate English.
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Post by dfwtexan42 on Mar 4, 2012 16:26:18 GMT
Sounds like the sudden rush of international attention for their daughters singing has really knocked them sideways, and they are still trying to figure out how to manage the fame.
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Post by klamath on Mar 4, 2012 17:31:09 GMT
Thanks Bogi of all the translation and sumation. I am curious if Patricia or her sisters speak english?
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Post by bogi on Mar 4, 2012 18:16:27 GMT
I mean international attention doesn't disturb them much. It doesn't affect their daily life in Czech Republic. Patricia's popularity in Slovakia and Czech Republic is more important factor, but I mean that's also not the main explanation for their reserved relation to fans and audience in general. I see other reasons why they are doing what they are doing. - As Patricia cannot act yet in real opera roles for adults, currently only her popular career is possible. But it seems Patricia's father doesn't trust much this branch of her career. He considers it only a temporary thing. He trusts more her opera related future. More worldwide successful opera singers came from our region. There are people in our area who can lead her in this direction.
- There is lack of people who could professionaly manage Patricia in a popular direction in Slovakia or Czech Republic. The only known CC artists in our region are La Gioia, they came in 2011 from TV talent competition similarily as Patricia one year earlier. La Gioia is a pop opera trio, they are singing pop songs in operatic way. Patricia performed with them twice in the last 3 months. But one artist group doesn't make yet a successful genre. There is no example that a CC singer would have really long and successful career in our region. Patricia is exceptional, but the classical crossover way is unknown here and there are no people who could lead her and guarantee her success in this way.
- As I wrote in my previous post Patricia's father comes from the world of pure classical music. It seems that's about the whole Patricia's team. They aren't from a popular world and it seems they don't understand it. If they would understand it, then the communication on the official facebook would be quite different from the beginning.
- Patricia doesn't have a full time manager. Her father works as contrabass player in Janacek Philharmonic and he is managing Patricia's activities on evenings as a second job. It explains that many things around Patricia don't seem to be done professionally.
- Patricia's really kind and humble behaviour is based on the family background. That's the base why her singing spreads such beautiful feelings. She will need her family background yet for more years. Her childhood is much more important for the family than her current success. It seems they will be locked to Czech Republic or Slovakia in the following years.
- An international career doesn't seem to be probable now. Patricia is only 13. Her parents don't speak English. The most of international interest comes from English speaking countries, I see it on my website statistics.
- They strictly keep what Patricia's vocal pedagogue opera singer Eva Dzizgova requires during current voice maturation period. Patricia sings no more than 3 songs on one event. It doesn't hinder her from a popular career, but it is a real restriction.
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Post by bogi on Mar 4, 2012 18:54:38 GMT
Thanks Bogi of all the translation and sumation. I am curious if Patricia or her sisters speak english? Patricia's parents don't speak English. They speak German, but the German speaking countries don't seem to be the best start point for a CC career. Patricia is learning English at school, but I can imagine her level when I remember myself when I was 13. I spoke about that with Patricia's father. It's for many many years if she will not visit an English speaking country for more months. This is the only thing which could really accelerate her English skills. Or she has to be a special talent for languages like her sister Lucia, but that doesn't seem to be her case. Slovak/Czech and English are quite different languages. My English is gradually improving for decades. When I finished university, I was hardly able to use technical English for example to write an operating manual from my technical area. The internet era definitely helped me, including this forum. I did those many translations of Patricia's interviews also because I was aware it will help my English. Simply I used Patricia for more things I already wished to learn before I knew her. I wished to learn Bocelli's music, Peter Dvorský and some arias already more years, but I missed enough inspiration for that. Patricia is the nicest possible inspiration for such free time activities. It's not by accident that so many ordinary people in Slovakia bought an album full of opera arias. But let's go back to English language topic. Patricia's sister Lucy seems to be other type of person. Patricia's father told me she is already able to understand English radio broadcast. That's great. She is currently 16.
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Post by max1 on Mar 4, 2012 19:13:30 GMT
Bogi, we really appreciate all you are doing to try to broaden Patricia's fan base. I just wish she and her dad knew how great is her potential if she just starts promoting herself to the Western world more. The key to her success is to learn and speak English as soon as she can.
Her situation reminds me of how Charice's career blossomed. An American talk show host, Ellen Degeneras of "The Ellen Show", saw one of Charice's YouTube videos and invited her to America to sing on her show. She blew everyone away, and caught David Foster and Oprah Winfrey's attention. Once Oprah got involved, Charice get the breaks she needed. Charice is now doing very well in Asia, and has had limited success in America. Here is her appearance on that show. Note how she could barely speak English. Today Charice is completely fluent in it.
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Post by klamath on Mar 5, 2012 17:19:22 GMT
Thanks Bogi of all the translation and sumation. I am curious if Patricia or her sisters speak english? Patricia's parents don't speak English. They speak German, but the German speaking countries don't seem to be the best start point for a CC career. Patricia is learning English at school, but I can imagine her level when I remember myself when I was 13. I spoke about that with Patricia's father. It's for many many years if she will not visit an English speaking country for more months. This is the only thing which could really accelerate her English skills. Or she has to be a special talent for languages like her sister Lucia, but that doesn't seem to be her case. Slovak/Czech and English are quite different languages. My English is gradually improving for decades. When I finished university, I was hardly able to use technical English for example to write an operating manual from my technical area. The internet era definitely helped me, including this forum. I did those many translations of Patricia's interviews also because I was aware it will help my English. Simply I used Patricia for more things I already wished to learn before I knew her. I wished to learn Bocelli's music, Peter Dvorský and some arias already more years, but I missed enough inspiration for that. Patricia is the nicest possible inspiration for such free time activities. It's not by accident that so many ordinary people in Slovakia bought an album full of opera arias. But let's go back to English language topic. Patricia's sister Lucy seems to be other type of person. Patricia's father told me she is already able to understand English radio broadcast. That's great. She is currently 16. I am glad she is learning english. I know a lot of children in europe learn english and travel agenies say if you want to get someone to help you ask a younger person as they gereally know english. My Grandmother was from Czechslovakia from a town called Milo Mesek( Obviously wrong spelling. I was told it meant "small measure". I tried to find it on a map but with my bad spelling it was impossible ;D My mother could understand Czech and at one time started teaching my brothers and I the language. I wish she had kept on. I still grew up using a lot of Czech words but didn't know it until I was grown up and started getting funny looks from people when I used what I thought was a standard term. Really got funny looks when I used the Czech word for a goat that developes a love for its own milk ;D
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Post by bogi on Mar 5, 2012 17:56:36 GMT
small measure ??
Malomerice (Malomìøice with the correct diacritic) is part of the town Brno (about 380 000 inhabitants in 2011). Brno is probably the 2nd biggest town in Czech Republic after Prague. Enter into maps.google.com: Brno-Malomìøice, Czech Republic
If that's not the right place, maybe todu21 can help, he is from Czech Republic.
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Post by klamath on Mar 6, 2012 2:54:29 GMT
I don't know know for sure on the "small measure" part as I remember my Mom and aunts talking about it. Malomerice may very well be the city. Someday I would like to visit the two counties.
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Post by bogi on Mar 14, 2012 9:48:58 GMT
New message from Patricia and new photos from her visit in Vienna appeared on her official facebook. See the photoalbum and her message (in Slovak) bellow: www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.188409534604850.34912.132794310166373&type=3Here is my English translation of the mesage: Hallo, everybody! On Friday I visited Vienna, and in addition to the "duties" I also had a bit of time to walk (see Pictures). I visited Schönbrunn, the centre at Staatsoper and Stadtpark. I was charmed by wild ducks. I had to photograph them. I'm not a good photographer, but even so I'm satisfied with the pictures. See them. Weather was still a bit cold, but even so nice. In summer I definitely wish to check it out again. I almost forgot Prater, I will wait for fine weather:) In addition, I managed to catch up with school and I got an attestation! Physics scares me! I'm giving my love to you and I wish you all much success. Your Patricia Patricia visited Vienna in order to make an interview for German television WDR. Here are some photos from making the interview: www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.184140555030992.33600.122358057875909&type=3Patricia's activities in Austria are exclusively represented by AQUÄDUKT Artists Agency www.facebook.com/pages/AQU%C3%84DUKT-Artists-Agency-eU/122358057875909?sk=info
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Post by todu21 on May 2, 2012 11:14:23 GMT
Newest message from Patricia for all her fans! (PJ official FB profile on 1st May, 2012)
My dear fans, I would like to cordially greet you and wish you a beautiful, sunny May. I will soon perform in Wien and I am already getting bit excited about it. I was told that I will need two pairs of clothes because each performing artist is expected to change her clothes during the concert. So am I. I have not met nepersonally anyone I will perform with, but supposedly important artists will be on the stage. I am curious about this festivity. I was also invited to the galadinner after the concert. Last but not least I have realized that I have forgotten one strophe from Brindisi (G. Verdi – La Traviatta) that we are supposed to sing together at the end of the performance. So, please, do not tell anyone, I am going to learn it for sure. But I am looking forward to this performance. I will stay in Wien for a couple of days afterwards, but when I get back, I am going to share my impressions from the concert with you. So have a nice day and wish me luck. Thank you and seeya. Yours Patricia.
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Post by todu21 on May 2, 2012 11:22:53 GMT
... and one new photo (probably made for official promotional purposes, published with Paka's message from 1 st May, 2012): Attachments:
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Post by bogi on May 2, 2012 11:49:17 GMT
Thanks todu21! If I may I will add your English translation to my fan webpage.
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