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Post by Beachguy on Dec 14, 2016 16:41:58 GMT
Been on and read all Jackie forums and for sure these small groups of hard core type older fans are star stuck into Jackie is the greatest thing on earth , something she would laugh at , she doesn't think her voice is very good , not as people think in their minds , duh , she is having a hard time getting 600 hundred at a concert , duh , her albums are not selling as the wonder or greatest non her next one , are these people just lost in memories or just don't live in real world but a 8th wonder-world , O BROTHER , post on ones of out of this world A man once said kids say the funnest things , perhaps adults say the funnest things , hold on blokes and lassies as your pipe dreams are not true yet I haven't been a Jackie fan long enough to be lost in memories of her. The first five or six years of her career were all brand new to me when I first noticed. You refer a lot to over the top fans. I'm not sure I know what you mean. I see some what I would call over the top comments occasionally on You Tube and on Facebook, but I don't see any here or on Rick's forum: what I see is a lot of appreciation for Jackie's talents by people who find her inspiring and hope for her future success. If I see over the top posts here they are usually your ones banging on about problems with Jackie's career and what you think other people think of her. People use superlatives to express feelings for which there are no words. I haven't yet come across anyone who seriously thinks she's the 8th wonder of the world. You worry too much. Let her do the worrying about her career. When you go on like that you sound like an old woman. At other times you're brilliant. Jackie obviously inspires you; I think very highly of your creative expressions and hope you continue with them. This was to the person writing the comments and those agreeing with , most of the ott are on private chat rooms agreeing with each other , they hide here and there , yikes cas43 says I loaf with old woman , I better check that out , thanks , haha on the other forum they want to bann me or catmando does , haha he says no one likes me , yikes , that is new , check out the creative threads of these haters
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 18, 2016 13:45:25 GMT
Ok , 2017 , is it very important for Jackie > after the singing at the Inauguration she has about 12 concerts due in two months , the numbers will tell what if anything this event does for her , it may not bring any youth fans but older fans , what will she be singing here before a new album ? or will she be singing about it , I don't understand the timing of so many dates without the new album , well any way she will still be in school I guess and this is a very busy tour , not sure why they didn't wait till like spring then school out for summer touring , why the rush as I believe her full time career will begin after 18 , do they need the money now ?
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 19, 2016 13:27:11 GMT
I'm going to be the first to regretfully light the fuse. Jackie's new album is an awakening to a mistake. Except for Think of Me the choice of songs is painfully tedious, passionless, new-age dirge. I am a loving Jackie fan and I could see this coming after the song list was released. She needs to hook up again and soon with David Foster who brought the best out of her. I hope she does not perform the songs from this album during her upcoming concerts. This music will lull her audience to sleep or worse; cause them to turn their backs on one of the world's best and most promising vocal talents. Her voice is one of the best in the business. The choice and mix of songs for this album whether by Jackie or her handlers was just wrong and hopefully not a fatal mistake for her career. Team- Jackie needs to make a course correction soon. It's a brutally unforgiving business. Please read this positive post >> ""team Jackie ""and handlers ?? ""the choice and mix pf songs for this album whether by Jackie "" was just wrong , Jackie needs to make a course correction soon "" ? , this date is Sept 2014 by a expert music man
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 19, 2016 13:29:45 GMT
About a year ago on JEFC I posted a idea , I knew of a woman skin cream company starting up near Jackie , called I believe Simple Sugar , I wrote to Jackie and the young girl owner saying the two could make a good team living so close , Jackie as a spokesperson etc. , be a good gig for her if the company was successful , well I just learn with Mark Cuban , a Pittsburgh Billionaire as a invester the company is doing very , very well with a great future , I am sure Jackie never even saw my letter , but what do I know . See, i take action not just words to aid her if i can
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 19, 2016 13:31:12 GMT
Saw Jackie on a blog with her hair pulled back with twist knots and pony tail , blue dress and about 11 or early 12 , music in background is ""Sail the Cosmic Ocean "" it's very delightful in all ways as the world passes behind her , Apollo will LOVE IT Nov 6th 2014
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 19, 2016 13:35:07 GMT
Quite disturbed this morning by what I'm seeing on Jackie's Facebook page. FanArt? "FanArt. Have you ever drawn a picture of me?" Selfies? "I miss taking pre-show selfies?" Uhhhhh. I'm getting a bit creeped out by it. This is trending to a disturbing form of worship. Self worship?? Anybody else here bothered by this? If this is "success" and what it brings to an extraordinarily gifted 14 year old, with a great family .... Not what I want to see for this young lady.
I wish for the Jackie that was always "amazed" (humbled) by what was happening when she sang and the response it got.
I wish she'd get back to the classics. This girl could be destined to be the next decade's Sierra Boggess; Rebecca Luker; Shirley Jones; Julie Andrews, et al. She was on that track. Now, I'm not so sure. I think this whole thing needs to slow down so she can concentrate more on being just a good person ... than a teen heart-throb ... drooled over by fawning, obsessed fools.
A 14 year old cannot possibly be psychologically, emotionally or spiritually equipped well enough yet to process all of this adulation and celebrity in a healthy way. Way too much going on for most people to handle, let alone an adolescent, regardless of how musically gifted, talented and smart she is. Anybody else thinking like me about this?
what ? a negative thought ?
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Post by robinb on Dec 19, 2016 13:50:32 GMT
A lot has changed in the past two years. Is quoting other members posts from two years ago likely to be useful?
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 19, 2016 13:51:37 GMT
John, I cannot disagree with you about Miss Evancho. The reference I made about "novelty" had more to do with the fickle attribute of the public more than it does Jackie. Although her voice is incredibly beautiful to many, it was her young age, along with her innate talent, that astonished the public, in the beginning. So in time, her audience must revel in more than the initial anomaly.
Your friend reminds me of myself a few years ago. Her emotional interludes during the Mass was much like my own, and it has been described by the followers of the Kaballah as "mystical weeping." As we begin to be transformed by the alchemy of the Holy Eucharist or Mass, some of us break out in tears in gratitude for, and anticipation of, a great consummation with our Greatest Love.
Yes, there is much more to the phenomenon many are experiencing by listening to Miss Evancho. But unfortunately, many listeners idolize the medium who brings a message instead of acknowledging its Origin. Fans are not aware of why a singer moves them so and start worshipping the instrument. They do not see that a catharsis is only the first step in a great healing of the soul that is needed----a healing that can only come from our Divine Source.
Therefore, the great voice of Miss Evancho's can serve as a spiritual awakening for many. Her voice tells a story about our soul and its longing for fulfillment. This fulfillment depends upon a union of the lover and the beloved. The union of the soul with God.
Happy to know you are a reader of Carl Jung. If we use his analytical psychology, and terminology, we might say that Jackie Evancho, and her voice, constellate powerful archetypes within the human psyche.
On a personal note, it was Jung who led me to the tradition of the "Gnosis" for which I am eternally grateful...
The kingdom we seek is truly within, and I fervently pray for all who have yet to know God's love.
May the voice, and humble countenance, of a lovely young woman, help bring the human race closer to ultimate fulfillment! is it just her voice ben ?? ,i listen to nuns and monks , do they count ""the union of the soul with God "" deep stuff . again ben , which God ? you never answer with all your wisdom , who is this ""Divine Source "" or Most High , ben likes to tease us but never puts up the prof , yikes !! ben is wayyyyy out there , a interesting life i bet with lots of lost and found times , well at least he found the "Gnosis" , heaven for ben , hey ben the human race is not closer to what ever fulfillment is but glad you are in that mind and soul as i am sure you have saved your family and tons of friends , good for you pal
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 19, 2016 13:58:33 GMT
A lot has changed in the past two years. Is quoting other members posts from two years ago likely to be useful? yes , it does to know the past thoughts of fans , i find it fun even if i am wrong , if you don't like it don't read it , i see you everywhere reading things from that tree you sit , so when does all posts need to be useful , is this your forum ? you say very little on yours
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 19, 2016 14:00:24 GMT
A lot has changed in the past two years. Is quoting other members posts from two years ago likely to be useful? Your other Admin quotes me all the time on the other forum . is that useful ?
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Post by robinb on Dec 19, 2016 14:02:52 GMT
A lot has changed in the past two years. Is quoting other members posts from two years ago likely to be useful? Your other Admin quotes me all the time on the other forum . is that useful ? Touche, a fair point. He probably should not. I will butt out now.
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 19, 2016 14:09:19 GMT
Ok. Then frivolous and shallow it is. Some suggestions for future Jackie albums. After her teen-experiment, "awakening" years are behind her. How about any song from Joni Mitchell's album, "Clouds". Soulful. Poetic. Soprano. How about "Changes": Sit by my side. Come as close as the air. And share in a memory of gray. And wander in my word. To dream about the pictures I play .... of changes. Look up Sylvia Fricker and Ian Tyson's rendition. Beautiful stuff. If I Loved You. From Carousel. Goodnight My Someone. Music Man. I Loved You Once in Silence. Camelot. Try to Remember, Fantastiks. Getting to Know You. The King and I. And many many more from so many fantastic musicals of that era. My Fair Lady. Sound of Music. Oklahoma. All timeless works of art. Enduring to please from generation to generation. Jackie's voice and persona is perfect for those songs and roles .... even now. But .... It's Jackie's life and career to live. In the meantime, during the "awakening" period, I'm afraid I'm going to have to tune out as a fan. Wish her the best, which I trust with that voice and heart she is guaranteed. Ben? Mark Twain? .....profoundly "deep" fun while it lasted. """I'm afraid i'm going to tune out AS A FAN """ >> this from the great fan CAS43 , and this silly clown talks about me
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 19, 2016 14:11:19 GMT
Your other Admin quotes me all the time on the other forum . is that useful ? Touche, a fair point. He probably should not. I will butt out now. YIKES !!! he was hacked or made a edit
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 19, 2016 14:14:24 GMT
Also very interesting is on trophy votes Jackie had 1125 to 6 for Lindsey thanks to JEFC members as I remember members asking to keep voting every day , kind of unfair as others did not have Official fan club that I know of , , 2nd was Miss Owen with 605 ? so that is a great finish for Siobhan because not for JEFC miss Owen may have won , she should be very proud but humble as she is I don't think I saw her speak of it , I did send her message on it , as far as Lindsay on CC music she states she was Classical trained starting at 6 years old and editor posts "" most successful independent classical crossover artist of all time ", she is a violinist , dancer ,director ,producer, singer, editor , yes we love Jackie but never forget there are Tons of Talents in the world and Jackie will need to Go Girl Go """ yes we love Jackie """
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 19, 2016 14:18:23 GMT
The anxious industry needs a cheering up says todays biggest star Taylor Swift the Pennsylvania sarcastic reared girl who has sold 3 albums of 1 million sales in one WEEK , she may be the brightest mind in the music world , she knows how to make money , her parents were both financial executives , she knows composing results in much higher profits from albums & big name corporate partners like diet coke etc. etc. , she milked the country world for $150 million in ONE year ( 2013-2014 ) yet she goes pop with first album to sell over 1 million in first week .she most likely will milk pop till it's time to change again , the point is what young singers , composers can learn from this girl and her career , like a Jackie as she says ""I just struggle to find a woman in music who hasn't been completely picked apart by the media ,or scrutinized and criticized for aging ,, it just seems to be much more difficult to be a woman in music and to grow older ."" so no one will sell more albums before they are 25 years old then Miss Swift , 24 .2 million & counting , I believe Jackie is in OTJT ( on the job training ) in next few years till she is adult-like , but will she appeal to the 18 to 40 age group needed to become Big in music world ? , that is the question being in the minds of her team which i'm sure they are looking to the future """OTJT"" , next few years ( 2014 )
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