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Post by Beachguy on Oct 13, 2016 14:38:50 GMT
Do you or anyone think Jackies' team would put her on stage with a Anna Graceman or Miss House or Connie Talbot ? , why is she not seen with female artists her own age , are they afraid or not ? , tell me o great minds , I would love to go back into JEFC an see quotes from the ott fans on where Jackie will be in 2016 , like 400 at concerts ? ,  Jackie can make a very nice living on her own , playing here an there according to the peoples likes in a city or country , classical music as Boston , Rome or Paris but if pop music she needs a pop trainer to teach her the ins an outs of pop fans , what they want to hear an see an a Great Voice is not needed , she perhaps needs a time out to reflect an if to make over Jackie or not as to what is HER goal today not at ten , Lisa once said she does not make a big profit on concerts then years ago so it shows much more now as they cut her help down to a piano player some concerts an perhaps she will perform for a flat fee to escape all the expense of productions , there certainly is a plan by team but the question is , what ? |
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 13, 2016 22:31:52 GMT
The voice of Jackie has not changed from a year a go so to sell 300 seats in two recent concerts tells a tale , something has changed in base fans mind or heart , the sending out to social media a picture of Juliet in her dressing room an then posing on the sidewalks of the big apple New York perhaps would do it for many indeed no matter what the positive people think , people are people in their minds of the transgender world so the question is would there have been 500 or 600 if not for her pushing the transgender agenda an more important what percent of to be or new fans will it cost her 30% 40 % 50 % , perhaps not as much in the youth age as they don't care about crap , this is what the great team must prepare for in the future , it all will hit the fan in coming concerts an xmas album will imo be a bust , ( not a knock on Jackie as I know her voice ) sorry but my opinion only , I speak what I think , if you disagree an even care , speak up fans , she needs to know what people are thinking for her career , this event with sister is a very important time in her life , is it do or die ? , well no , not at all but there will be affects more negative then positive as the negative people speak more loudly
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Post by juxtaposer on Oct 14, 2016 7:38:45 GMT
The Book > part 5 She went to the correlation section of the book where all the factors involved in the makeup of a potential wizard were listed , she found that she had a lot of them , enough to be one if she wanted , with rising excitement she turned to the next chapter , she saw " Philosophy " the subject she wants to take in collage , she took a deep breath and looked at the book , beginning to get an idea of what kind of power was implied there . no one should take the Wizards' Oath who is not committed to making wizardry a lifelong pursuit , the energy invested is too precious to be thrown away . The wizard gets the delight of working in a specialized area , magic , and gets a good look at the foundations of the Universe , the way things really work , wow she thinks , this is heavy stuff an then smiles . she must take a test of aptitude first , the lady from the library tells her that " they're gone " and what was that about ? , she says oh Joanne was looking to pick a fight again because of my sister . time to leave she thought and went outside with the book in hand , she looked around in deepening gloom with the smell of rain in the air , she took a path meant to confound pursuit, she didn't expect the bullies would be waiting for her , when they were through with her she had a black eye from a knee an felt like liquid fire , they left her there , she would not cry until she was safely in bed and out of her family's earshot . . to be continued Going good Beachguy. I can feel we are getting closer to the part where Jackie looks in the book and finds the spell she has cast over us all. Can't be far away now... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 16:54:53 GMT
The voice of Jackie has not changed from a year a go so to sell 300 seats in two recent concerts tells a tale , something has changed in base fans mind or heart , the sending out to social media a picture of Juliet in her dressing room an then posing on the sidewalks of the big apple New York perhaps would do it for many indeed no matter what the positive people think , people are people in their minds of the transgender world so the question is would there have been 500 or 600 if not for her pushing the transgender agenda an more important what percent of to be or new fans will it cost her 30% 40 % 50 % , perhaps not as much in the youth age as they don't care about crap , this is what the great team must prepare for in the future , it all will hit the fan in coming concerts an xmas album will imo be a bust , ( not a knock on Jackie as I know her voice ) sorry but my opinion only , I speak what I think , if you disagree an even care , speak up fans , she needs to know what people are thinking for her career , this event with sister is a very important time in her life , is it do or die ? , well no , not at all but there will be affects more negative then positive as the negative people speak more loudly Do you really think that Jackie reads this forum?  |
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Post by don78710 on Oct 14, 2016 17:56:05 GMT
The voice of Jackie has not changed from a year a go so to sell 300 seats in two recent concerts tells a tale , something has changed in base fans mind or heart , the sending out to social media a picture of Juliet in her dressing room an then posing on the sidewalks of the big apple New York perhaps would do it for many indeed no matter what the positive people think , people are people in their minds of the transgender world so the question is would there have been 500 or 600 if not for her pushing the transgender agenda an more important what percent of to be or new fans will it cost her 30% 40 % 50 % , perhaps not as much in the youth age as they don't care about crap , this is what the great team must prepare for in the future , it all will hit the fan in coming concerts an xmas album will imo be a bust , ( not a knock on Jackie as I know her voice ) sorry but my opinion only , I speak what I think , if you disagree an even care , speak up fans , she needs to know what people are thinking for her career , this event with sister is a very important time in her life , is it do or die ? , well no , not at all but there will be affects more negative then positive as the negative people speak more loudly Do you really think that Jackie reads this forum? BG, I agree, Jackie likely doesn't read your dozens of these (mostly) same posts here (and your posts at Rick's Proboards and Amazon). I doubt if Jackie ever had a permanent publicist on this team you mention. I doubt she will change regarding Juliet as she always will have her sister's "back". Many of us had been "advising" her and the E's about social media and publicity since "way back" too, with little effect up to now.
Kind of like seat belts, we were absolutely right on JEFC back in 2011 when we beseeched her to wear them, we were absolutely right because it is illegal (for minors in PA) and yet we see her beltless in her latest Instagram. This shows our near zero power as fans despite us showing our "caring" for Jackie.
They'll wear them when they want to.
It must feel good to many fans to feel like we know "best" and advise Jackie and tell her what is best for her to do and so on. But it seems like spitting in the wind to me; it seems extra crazy to do it for years continuously like those posters on Amazon. Life is short and their are better things to spend each of our time on.
If as a result she goes back to recording videos in the laundry room for school, college, having kids, etc. that's fine with me if it makes her happy. I'm not one to hitch myself as a fan because she is a star; I am here because of her voice and talent and personality.
Personally, I think most of the decline in attendance is due to lack of anything new like the "Big Voice, Little Girl" appeal she first had. And I don't blame her at all for that. I'm here as long as she sings. Don edited
ben, I agree with you on this post too: classicalcrossover.proboards.com/post/16282/thread
She always can be a star of at least modest means because of her voice. Why can't we realize that not staying a AGT-level star is OK both with her and with most of us? Little Girl, Big Voice was over years ago. Attendance is down, so cut out the musicians; that is sensible. Cut back further (for school and college); Lisa said they have money put away for that. And we have little (really no) influence about her career anyway.
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 14, 2016 18:39:04 GMT
The voice of Jackie has not changed from a year a go so to sell 300 seats in two recent concerts tells a tale , something has changed in base fans mind or heart , the sending out to social media a picture of Juliet in her dressing room an then posing on the sidewalks of the big apple New York perhaps would do it for many indeed no matter what the positive people think , people are people in their minds of the transgender world so the question is would there have been 500 or 600 if not for her pushing the transgender agenda an more important what percent of to be or new fans will it cost her 30% 40 % 50 % , perhaps not as much in the youth age as they don't care about crap , this is what the great team must prepare for in the future , it all will hit the fan in coming concerts an xmas album will imo be a bust , ( not a knock on Jackie as I know her voice ) sorry but my opinion only , I speak what I think , if you disagree an even care , speak up fans , she needs to know what people are thinking for her career , this event with sister is a very important time in her life , is it do or die ? , well no , not at all but there will be affects more negative then positive as the negative people speak more loudly Do you really think that Jackie reads this forum? No ben , I don't believe that but I was talking for social media sites she might read , here perhaps a team member takes a look once in a while to see any feed back to help Jackie in what the public is thinking , or what the silly Beachguy is yapping about  she does say "let me know on " FB ??, does she read that , most likely no but a team member may check |
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 14, 2016 19:03:11 GMT
Do you really think that Jackie reads this forum? BG, I agree, Jackie likely doesn't read your dozens of these (mostly) same posts here (and your posts at Rick's Proboards and Amazon). I doubt if Jackie ever had a permanent publicist on this team you mention. I doubt she will change regarding Juliet as she always will have her sister's "back". Many of us had been "advising" her and the E's about social media and publicity since "way back" too, with little effect up to now.
Kind of like seat belts, we were absolutely right on JEFC back in 2011 when we beseeched her to wear them, we were absolutely right because it is illegal (for minors in PA) and yet we see her beltless in her latest Instagram. This shows our near zero power as fans despite us showing our "caring" for Jackie.
They'll wear them when they want to.
It must feel good to many fans to feel like we know "best" and advise Jackie and tell her what is best for her to do and so on. But it seems like spitting in the wind to me; it seems extra crazy to do it for years continuously like those posters on Amazon. Life is short and their are better things to spend each of our time on.
If as a result she goes back to recording videos in the laundry room for school, college, having kids, etc. that's fine with me if it makes her happy. I'm not one to hitch myself as a fan because she is a star; I am here because of her voice and talent and personality.
Personally, I think most of the decline in attendance is due to lack of anything new like the "Big Voice, Little Girl" appeal she first had. And I don't blame her at all for that. I'm here as long as she sings. Don edited
ben, I agree with you on this post too: classicalcrossover.proboards.com/post/16282/thread
She always can be a star of at least modest means because of her voice. Why can't we realize that not staying a AGT-level star is OK both with her and with most of us? Little Girl, Big Voice was over years ago. Attendance is down, so cut out the musicians; that is sensible. Cut back further (for school and college); Lisa said they have money put away for that. And we have little (really no) influence about her career anyway.
right don , they never cared what we thought or suggested from the beginning of JEFC , they don't care now either , they are unfriendly people imo , Mike talked to me about posting of his little daughter an wanted to know why  , why , he was posting the kids not me , I found him to be unfriendly an convinced him I was not a threat , we have no problem now , perhaps things happened to his need of such security , I can believe that , they never treated members very nice as a fan club after paying a price to be a member , it was a waste as the Store , it seems they live on a island not needing the public , they don't but does Jackie ? ps her whole team is a joke |
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Post by 0 on Oct 14, 2016 19:09:19 GMT
Do you really think that Jackie reads this forum? No ben , I don't believe that but I was talking for social media sites she might read , here perhaps a team member takes a look once in a while to see any feed back to help Jackie in what the public is thinking , or what the silly Beachguy is yapping about she does say "let me know on " FB ??, does she read that , most likely no but a team member may check She for sure reads the Instagram comments. They're bytes and quips. None of substance. But she will move the ones she likes closer to the top of the board. Fan feedback, I'm sure is only gauged and considered of value by Youtube views, song and concert tickets sales. The only worthwhile polling is the number of pro and con votes cast in an election. Same for market feedback. Customer surveys have little to no actual influence on a business' decisions. Mostly for good will promo. |
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Post by 0 on Oct 14, 2016 19:17:58 GMT
No ben , I don't believe that but I was talking for social media sites she might read , here perhaps a team member takes a look once in a while to see any feed back to help Jackie in what the public is thinking , or what the silly Beachguy is yapping about she does say "let me know on " FB ??, does she read that , most likely no but a team member may check She for sure reads the Instagram comments. They're bytes and quips. None of substance. But she will move the ones she likes closer to the top of the board. Fan feedback, I'm sure is only gauged and considered of value by Youtube views, song and concert tickets sales. The only worthwhile polling is the number of pro and con votes cast in an election. Same for market feedback. Customer surveys have little to no actual influence on a business' decisions. Mostly for good will promo. Lisa used to regularly visit the proboard that was last junked. But I remember writing a lengthy post advising that she should not let Jackie's fans get involved in any E business decisions. To keep them at a long arms length, but in a happy place. I'm pretty sure she read it and took the advice because she never solicited fan input or involvement about a certain decision being considered after that. She dropped it. A good decision. |
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 14, 2016 19:31:05 GMT
CLAMOR WORLD >> ""we live in amazing times , Transgender man gives birth , breast-feeds baby "" A 89 year old Chicago ice-pop vendor man after a photo of him struggling to push his cart went viral online received a crowdfunded in 4 days of $325,000 , yikes I bet it was a con job  Cornell University > Social media can boost your memory , I knew that but forgot One must know their internal clocks for the best life , the human body is genetically designed to coordinate the , " when " of almost all aspects of life , sleep , work , sex , even fun , Most prostate cancer treatment doesn't save lives , a landmark study found no difference in survival in men who chose active surveillance monitoring with no treatments of severe side effects A 70 year old man accused of robbing bank in Kansas City told investigators he did it because he preferred jail to continuing to live with his wife , yikes how many more millions Taylor Swift broke up after three months of heavily documented romance , Yikes hope no tattoos So many many many men will love true an deep of a millionaire  , A problem Jackie will face |
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 14, 2016 19:37:17 GMT
No ben , I don't believe that but I was talking for social media sites she might read , here perhaps a team member takes a look once in a while to see any feed back to help Jackie in what the public is thinking , or what the silly Beachguy is yapping about she does say "let me know on " FB ??, does she read that , most likely no but a team member may check She for sure reads the Instagram comments. They're bytes and quips. None of substance. But she will move the ones she likes closer to the top of the board. Fan feedback, I'm sure is only gauged and considered of value by Youtube views, song and concert tickets sales. The only worthwhile polling is the number of pro and con votes cast in an election. Same for market feedback. Customer surveys have little to no actual influence on a business' decisions. Mostly for good will promo. Agree somewhat , concert tickets ? is a great concern , this Xmas album will IMO be low , so how low is her career ? |
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Post by don78710 on Oct 14, 2016 20:55:56 GMT
BG, I agree, Jackie likely doesn't read your dozens of these (mostly) same posts here (and your posts at Rick's Proboards and Amazon). I doubt if Jackie ever had a permanent publicist on this team you mention. I doubt she will change regarding Juliet as she always will have her sister's "back". Many of us had been "advising" her and the E's about social media and publicity since "way back" too, with little effect up to now.
Kind of like seat belts, we were absolutely right on JEFC back in 2011 when we beseeched her to wear them, we were absolutely right because it is illegal (for minors in PA) and yet we see her beltless in her latest Instagram. This shows our near zero power as fans despite us showing our "caring" for Jackie.
They'll wear them when they want to.
It must feel good to many fans to feel like we know "best" and advise Jackie and tell her what is best for her to do and so on. But it seems like spitting in the wind to me; it seems extra crazy to do it for years continuously like those posters on Amazon. Life is short and their are better things to spend each of our time on.
If as a result she goes back to recording videos in the laundry room for school, college, having kids, etc. that's fine with me if it makes her happy. I'm not one to hitch myself as a fan because she is a star; I am here because of her voice and talent and personality.
Personally, I think most of the decline in attendance is due to lack of anything new like the "Big Voice, Little Girl" appeal she first had. And I don't blame her at all for that. I'm here as long as she sings. Don edited
ben, I agree with you on this post too: classicalcrossover.proboards.com/post/16282/thread
She always can be a star of at least modest means because of her voice. Why can't we realize that not staying a AGT-level star is OK both with her and with most of us? Little Girl, Big Voice was over years ago. Attendance is down, so cut out the musicians; that is sensible. Cut back further (for school and college); Lisa said they have money put away for that. And we have little (really no) influence about her career anyway.
right don , they never cared what we thought or suggested from the beginning of JEFC , they don't care now either , they are unfriendly people imo , Mike talked to me about posting of his little daughter an wanted to know why , why , he was posting the kids not me , I found him to be unfriendly an convinced him I was not a threat , we have no problem now , perhaps things happened to his need of such security , I can believe that , they never treated members very nice as a fan club after paying a price to be a member , it was a waste as the Store , it seems they live on a island not needing the public , they don't but does Jackie ? ps her whole team is a joke BG, consider this before using the word "team": There is no "team" now, no publicist for example. Marc stopped going to each of her concerts long ago so his role is more limited. Mike is the heavy now. Her albums are labeled "JE Touring", which is the E's. What does that leave? (I guess the person that helps pick out her outfits).
Amazon members realized years ago "the team" meant the E's, and they still constantly criticize her parents. "Team" means that (for example) they would more likely do something that benefited the whole family rather than just her career.
I wouldn't say they "don't care". They more likely have already considered our posts and suggestions "en masse", and rejected most of them. Don't take it personally.
Lisa would rather spend family time than tweek Jackie's "social media presence", perhaps. Jackie would rather enjoy being a teen and go on dates, etc. rather than practice more or go on more news shows in advance for publicity.
"Team" really is just the E's, and Rule #1 of this forum is, criticism of her parents is not allowed 
Let it be.
Enjoy her music, even if for a while it is karaoke videos filmed in their laundry room again. She is a part-time singer as ben says, that reflects her priorities, and that is perfectly fine with me.
We as fans put too many expectations on her (I think we like too much being associated with a "Star", Bigger the better!). Her popularity could continue to decline from her AGT peak, though she always will have that voice.
She and her family will do fine.
I hope she continues to sing to us in some manner.
I hope she continues to strive for her dreams even if it doesn't mean a Grammy.
I hope she continues to be positive and stick to her principles.
She is better a person than me and better a person than most of us. Don
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 14, 2016 23:27:07 GMT
right don , they never cared what we thought or suggested from the beginning of JEFC , they don't care now either , they are unfriendly people imo , Mike talked to me about posting of his little daughter an wanted to know why , why , he was posting the kids not me , I found him to be unfriendly an convinced him I was not a threat , we have no problem now , perhaps things happened to his need of such security , I can believe that , they never treated members very nice as a fan club after paying a price to be a member , it was a waste as the Store , it seems they live on a island not needing the public , they don't but does Jackie ? ps her whole team is a joke BG, consider this before using the word "team": There is no "team" now, no publicist for example. Marc stopped going to each of her concerts long ago so his role is more limited. Mike is the heavy now. Her albums are labeled "JE Touring", which is the E's. What does that leave? (I guess the person that helps pick out her outfits).
Amazon members realized years ago "the team" meant the E's, and they still constantly criticize her parents. "Team" means that (for example) they would more likely do something that benefited the whole family rather than just her career.
I wouldn't say they "don't care". They more likely have already considered our posts and suggestions "en masse", and rejected most of them. Don't take it personally.
Lisa would rather spend family time than tweek Jackie's "social media presence", perhaps. Jackie would rather enjoy being a teen and go on dates, etc. rather than practice more or go on more news shows in advance for publicity.
"Team" really is just the E's, and Rule #1 of this forum is, criticism of her parents is not allowed
Let it be.
Enjoy her music, even if for a while it is karaoke videos filmed in their laundry room again. She is a part-time singer as ben says, that reflects her priorities, and that is perfectly fine with me.
We as fans put too many expectations on her (I think we like too much being associated with a "Star", Bigger the better!). Her popularity could continue to decline from her AGT peak, though she always will have that voice.
She and her family will do fine.
I hope she continues to sing to us in some manner.
I hope she continues to strive for her dreams even if it doesn't mean a Grammy.
I hope she continues to be positive and stick to her principles.
She is better a person than me and better a person than most of us. Don
thanks don for opinions an statements , 1st , a team can mean two an maybe a hair dresses at times ,2nd no criticism of parenting is permitted I believe , I don't speak of how they raise the kids so other things are permitted I believe as long as within the rules , 3rd I have no idea what kind of person she is off stage ,lots of the young artist here do charity an sing in churches all the time , time will tell if she is a better person then I , I have been here 5 years an know the rules or John lets me know BG |
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Post by 0 on Oct 15, 2016 10:54:44 GMT
She for sure reads the Instagram comments. They're bytes and quips. None of substance. But she will move the ones she likes closer to the top of the board. Fan feedback, I'm sure is only gauged and considered of value by Youtube views, song and concert tickets sales. The only worthwhile polling is the number of pro and con votes cast in an election. Same for market feedback. Customer surveys have little to no actual influence on a business' decisions. Mostly for good will promo. Agree somewhat , concert tickets ? is a great concern , this Xmas album will IMO be low , so how low is her career ? ... "how low is her career?" I don't think there's any doubt that it's lower than last year and the year before that for sure. When I saw her (2014), I was one of over 5000 in her audience. Now, from the viewpoint that Jackie may be the sole source of income for her family, her apparently flagging career at this stage of it ... may no doubt be a problem. However, does anybody here know for sure if that's really the case? If her grandpa, who I believe is a retired investment banker or financial planner, wisely invested her income over the good years for them .... maybe all's well. I certainly hope so. But again, purely and probably only wild speculation (Pure Imagination). Having said all that, I totally agree with the content of don's comment yesterday. Like him and I think many others, I'm more concerned with her personal well being and that of her family. If that is completely contingent on the health and well being of her singing career ... then I'm concerned about it. |
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 15, 2016 12:51:23 GMT
Agree somewhat , concert tickets ? is a great concern , this Xmas album will IMO be low , so how low is her career ? ... "how low is her career?" I don't think there's any doubt that it's lower than last year and the year before that for sure. When I saw her (2014), I was one of over 5000 in her audience. Now, from the viewpoint that Jackie may be the sole source of income for her family, her apparently flagging career at this stage of it ... may no doubt be a problem. However, does anybody here know for sure if that's really the case? If her grandpa, who I believe is a retired investment banker or financial planner, wisely invested her income over the good years for them .... maybe all's well. I certainly hope so. But again, purely and probably only wild speculation (Pure Imagination). Having said all that, I totally agree with the content of don's comment yesterday. Like him and I think many others, I'm more concerned with her personal well being and that of her family. If that is completely contingent on the health and well being of her singing career ... then I'm concerned about it. Ok , I was meaning in a show-biz low not any money low as surely she as a minor has a trust fund in place , Lisa says she watches her money carefully , I hope for the well being of all the artists I have posted as we all know cancer strikes children an 1 of 5 die . |
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she does say "let me know on " FB ??, does she read that , most likely no but a team member may check 
, why , he was posting the kids not me , I found him to be unfriendly an convinced him I was not a threat , we have no problem now , perhaps things happened to his need of such security , I can believe that , they never treated members very nice as a fan club after paying a price to be a member , it was a waste as the Store , it seems they live on a island not needing the public , they don't but does Jackie ? ps her whole team is a joke 
, A problem Jackie will face 